Do you really control your ads anymore or just think you do? The more Meta’s AI promises to optimize your performance, the more it quietly reshapes your creative and brand. Today, Lauren and I break down the hidden trade-offs behind Meta’s Advantage+ Creative Image Generator and why letting AI “help” your campaigns might not mean what you think.
Lauren shares her recent webinar launch results using Meta’s new creative tools and what happened when AI started taking creative liberties with her brand visuals and placements. From off-brand images to format mismatches, we unpack how AI-driven automation can drive conversions while quietly eroding creative control.
In this episode:
03:49 Pros and cons of Advantage+ creative image generator
07:42 The illusion of control in Meta AI’s performance
14:00 Why future ad networks may remove control completely
16:42 The $30 lead that actually converted better
18:13 Quality vs. quantity in lead generation
21:04 How creative still drives targeting in Andromeda
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Previous Episode on Advantage+ Creative Image Generator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXRkwLlTb0I
Tier 11 Data Suite – https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite
Creative Diversification Playbook, Practitioners’ Guide From Meta: https://perpetualtraffic.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Creative-Diversification-Playbook-Practitioner-Guidance.pdf
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The Pros and Cons of Meta’s New Advantage+ Creative Image Generator Tool
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:08:01
Lauren
The more you enable AI to stimulate performance, the more illusionary your control is. You want conversions, you lose control.
00:00:08:03 – 00:00:19:20
Ralph
This is a big deal right now. Creative is creating the targeting like on all of our campaigns with Andromeda. And if you’re really super high on brand, this probably isn’t something that you want to have done. But.
00:00:19:22 – 00:00:31:06
Ralph
Hello and welcome to the Perpetual Traffic Podcast. This is your host, Ralph Burns, founder and CEO of tour 11, alongside my amazing very well dressed co-host.
00:00:31:08 – 00:00:45:03
Lauren
For an E! Video. Reminds me of like, well dressed from the top up, I look like I’m going to testify in DC, but from the bottom down I was like, I’m flat. No, no, I got to show my mullet of an outfit.
00:00:45:05 – 00:00:49:12
Ralph
Yeah, right. I was like, oh.
00:00:49:14 – 00:01:03:13
Ralph
That’s it, ladies and gentlemen. That’s it right there. So like when I first logged in, I was like, wow, it looks like you’re like, you’re going to testify before Congress. But in actuality, it’s like the skirt and the pink pink shoes or red shoes.
00:01:03:15 – 00:01:15:18
Lauren
They’re hot pink. Duh. And it’s like bright blue, cause shorts. And, I mean, I’m professionally fine. Fun. What they’re saying that, like, how do you dress professionally? Fun?
00:01:15:20 – 00:01:26:09
Ralph
Your your business on top. Party on the bottom. Really? I mean, all that’s going on here. Yeah. At a mullet, it’s like you’re like a mullet. Exactly. All right, well, today.
00:01:26:11 – 00:01:37:12
Ralph
We’re going to. Is there any mullet. Is there any way with the transition using mullet as a verb? Anyway, we’re monetizing, meta ads right now with this creative.
00:01:37:14 – 00:01:39:00
Lauren
I mean, a mullet over that right.
00:01:39:00 – 00:02:03:11
Ralph
Now. Mullet over. Yeah. Let’s mullet over. So one of the shows that we just recently did, one of our more popular shows is Screen Share that we did with your launch for your webinar. And then we went in-depth on this new Advantage Plus Create Creative Image Generator. I have to keep looking down at my notes because it doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue.
00:02:03:13 – 00:02:17:04
Ralph
Advantage plus Creative Image Generator was. Anyway, that’s a it’s a mouthful. If you haven’t seen that episode, we’ll leave that link in the show notes here and definitely watch it over on YouTube on our YouTube channel. You realize we have 6000 subscribers?
00:02:17:06 – 00:02:20:04
Lauren
I saw that yesterday. I got very excited.
00:02:20:06 – 00:02:41:00
Ralph
We just keep adding more and more subscribers. So anyway, if you’re not a subscriber of the show like we do a lot of screen shares here, and it’s not just Jon Moran now. It’s like, you know, we’re doing so much more with obviously this meta creative diversification thing. Check it out over at perpetual traffic.com/youtube. Go there. It’ll properties subscribe and definitely subscribe.
00:02:41:00 – 00:02:57:19
Ralph
So anyway so you don’t miss a thing here. But yeah, we’ll leave links in the show notes for that. But a lot of reaction on that one because of what it created for you. And I think it kind of blew away some of the team members here inside to 11. I know they have been trying to use it, and there’s some pitfalls to it.
00:02:57:21 – 00:03:12:12
Ralph
Not trying to yeah, they’re using it, but there’s some challenges with it. So maybe some of the learnings and then we can do another follow up episode to go through like your actual creation, where we’ll do a live walkthrough of your web and your next webinar.
00:03:12:18 – 00:03:13:17
Lauren
And yeah.
00:03:13:19 – 00:03:40:00
Ralph
Exactly how it all works here. So this is an interesting case because you’re doing this for your own brand. All right. So we do this for we obviously we use AI as a part of our creative but not it doesn’t and hasn’t taken over credit. We still have a 12 person creative team like AI is not taking away any jobs here, but it does allow us to, you know, be more precise and also more productive.
00:03:40:02 – 00:04:02:15
Ralph
But the AI the AI created adds easy for me to say sometimes. Do create some downstream effects with clients. So anyway, pros and cons of using this advantage plus creative Image Generator. On what your sort of learnings were from the webinar. So give us maybe a high level overview. And like I said, we’ll do a follow up episode of this full screen share.
00:04:02:15 – 00:04:03:13
Ralph
So what are your thoughts?
00:04:03:18 – 00:04:35:09
Lauren
AI is not replacing jobs for anything. AI has made us more jobs. We’ve done more and have a higher caliber and quality and as well as greater efficiency. So yes, more jobs, no to replacement, I’d say. What’s interesting here, like in the replacement aspect, because meta AI is replacing additional needs for creatives. So you have to have your seed creative to start with, which we had we have like the the dating profile version where we’re trying to show, like we like the liquid glass look, for example.
00:04:35:11 – 00:04:57:17
Lauren
And so when we had that base creative, we were able to have meta make iterations of it. And with their AI flexible format, it can expand the images to fit the placement that we want. But what happens when you’re replacing a human with AI? Like, granted there’s some small manipulations human in the loop. But not to the extent the way that our studio does it in the way that you have your 12 person team that does the creative.
00:04:57:17 – 00:05:26:00
Lauren
It’s a stepping stone. But I think we’re we’re not even crawling yet with what will be possible in the near future. But going back to when AI’s only involved the pitfalls that you alluded to or, you’re really in this predicament where the more you allow or enable AI and not just generative AI, where we’re talking about copy and image creation, that programmatic AI, which is all about Andromeda.
00:05:26:00 – 00:06:00:00
Lauren
The more you enable AI to stimulate performance, the more illusionary your control is. And becomes. And what I mean by that is we had the brand enabled AI versus the product one. So there’s two different versions of AI image generation, one that’s on brand and one that’s completely off brand and can have what I call cuckoo crazy variations because Neta demands 25% difference in your ad for it to be considered a unique ad, otherwise you’re just competing against itself, and copy is never going to be included in that.
00:06:00:00 – 00:06:38:12
Lauren
Which is why you’re allowed to do text, headlines, primary text, and description changes without it counting as a new ad. It’s just enrolled in that same ad. So when we had AI, only we lost a lot of control on the brand and a lot of control in the placement. And some of the things that we noticed was while we, AI flexible format, which can expand the image or compress it to the size of the placement mat, is doing just so much in testing that we were seeing, you know, audience network at a 1200 by 628 images show up in Instagram feed, which should be a four by 5 or 1080 by 1080, like that
00:06:38:12 – 00:07:00:09
Lauren
one by one. And these ratios, by the way, like there’s this, the different size images that you can have setting up for your ad, one version as you do the, portrait, sorry, or like the vertical version, the 1080 across by 1920 down. If you were to make one single creative you nine by 16, you always make the nine by 16 inside the safe zone.
00:07:00:09 – 00:07:26:18
Lauren
Because one meta crops it. You’re always able to fit your whole message in whatever placement that they’re doing. So that’s version option one that you can do. Creative creative nine by 16 inside the safe zone so that no matter what placement you go to, you’re not having like your head get chopped off or the words missing, or the more traditional ways you have your creative, and then you make your sign situation.
00:07:26:18 – 00:07:48:03
Lauren
Here’s what it looks like on a one by one. Here’s what it looks like on the one 1200 by 628. Whatever those numbers are, I go by pixel size minimum. And so you make those different placements and then you have this control. Right. So coming up to this, I describe that the more you enable AI, the more illusionary your control actually is.
00:07:48:05 – 00:08:14:05
Lauren
Because I have seen meta take our creatives. We did both versions, the nine by 16 and Safe Zone and the variations for the different sizes. And we saw them to say F8, you want conversions, you lose control. So then they were testing audience network size in my Instagram feed. They were testing compressed squares in my stories. So the way we were seeing I was like, this is not on brand.
00:08:14:11 – 00:08:36:05
Lauren
This is not showing the level of creatives and quality that I would want representing my company. And then they were introducing other versions that are close to what we created, but not as good from our human led creatives. So that’s where what I invite anyone that’s following along and doing this is AI is great, but it’s going to default to conversion, not to control.
00:08:36:07 – 00:08:55:12
Lauren
And so it’s lying to you in a lot of ways behind the guise of I’m testing. And throughout, like we would see so many different things that went against the parameters we had put up in meta, but with the intention of leading to a better conversion. So then it’s like, Ralph, you have to ask yourself, what do you want?
00:08:55:12 – 00:09:04:14
Lauren
Do you want control or do you want conversions? And it’s back to orange class episode that we just recorded of, like, you have to make an honest choice. Which do you care about more?
00:09:04:16 – 00:09:19:12
Ralph
Yeah, I think a lot of brands are going to have a challenge with this. I mean, if they’re doing this on their own and there’s no human in the middle. So this is actually done with a human in the middle. But then these tests were being done without really your your control and your thoughts or concerns.
00:09:19:14 – 00:09:20:20
Lauren
And sometimes you had.
00:09:20:20 – 00:09:23:00
Ralph
And they were off brand. So let’s just.
00:09:23:01 – 00:09:23:15
Lauren
There’s enablement.
00:09:23:18 – 00:09:48:05
Ralph
In this. So think about like you’re watching something on a reel okay. That’s a that’s a nine by 16 okay. And like maybe that video for example, they were putting like a one by one static image in that nine by 16 under the guise of were testing to get more conversions. Now whether or not that gets you more conversions or not is subject to debate.
00:09:48:08 – 00:09:55:09
Ralph
Maybe it does. Maybe it doesn’t. Like I’m not going to say. Either way, my sense is that it probably wouldn’t, but I disagree.
00:09:55:09 – 00:10:13:05
Lauren
I think my it looks as it would. My assumption is it would, but we didn’t give enough time. I think it takes you said like 4 to 6 weeks for me, it takes it’s just a data drought. If you do not have enough data. And so it has to do it like that time if you know, or time, which is often where you get the data.
00:10:13:05 – 00:10:32:08
Lauren
So it’s like the number of impressions you can accelerate that time model, collapse it by spending more. Right. So I think, actually Molly Pittman was the person I learned this from where she would take like $2,000 a day budget just to accelerate out of that learning phase and then scale it back down to your actual budget you want, because you can collapse the time it takes to escape learning phase.
00:10:32:10 – 00:10:34:06
Lauren
Oh gosh, I know what aggressive was.
00:10:34:06 – 00:10:35:00
Ralph
AD budgets.
00:10:35:00 – 00:10:36:05
Lauren
Always in the beginning when.
00:10:36:05 – 00:10:50:23
Ralph
We would work on accounts you like. Let’s just start with a thousand a day. I’m like, what? I want to start with a hundred. She’s like, oh, let’s go for it. Anyway. It’s kind of a simple way of doing it. But yeah, like, you know, if you’re compressed by the time you had a three day time frame in order to get.
00:10:50:23 – 00:10:51:18
Lauren
Exactly.
00:10:51:18 – 00:10:52:22
Ralph
Running right.
00:10:53:00 – 00:11:11:21
Lauren
And finish, it’s not even just to get up and running like it was a controlled time period, a flash sale. This wasn’t a seasonal campaign. It wasn’t business as usual. We do business as usual, boo or sandbox. So sandbox for us, like the way we use our naming convention. And I’ll. I’ll launch the next ones live on the podcast is this is a webinar I would like to do every single month.
00:11:11:21 – 00:11:33:23
Lauren
So a little be an evergreen offer on behalf of myself and Longest Media. It’s still going to be a seasonal campaign, and so I am eliminating the opportunity for me to get out of that learning phase. Now. I like thinking out loud now. I mean, I could just have it if I know it’s going to be evergreen, I can have a smaller daily budget of like 20 to $50 a day.
00:11:34:01 – 00:11:59:01
Lauren
That’s just business as usual. Constantly promoting this webinar. I just know that if this were an ever like if this was a VSL, you can do that as a VSL. Hey, watch this recording in perpetuity. But because it’s a live webinar where you have to book and reserve that time, we all know that your show up rate is so different depending on how early they sign up for the event.
00:11:59:01 – 00:12:09:17
Lauren
So if I start promoting our next webinar, which will be in November, now, which is mid-October, the likelihood of everyone showing up is very low. So it’s almost a for.
00:12:09:19 – 00:12:16:16
Ralph
Unless you have a freeze sell or a lead magnet that leads into it, or some piece of content to set this way.
00:12:16:16 – 00:12:39:19
Lauren
So it’s still yeah, keep them engaged if this is a bigger marketing lift. But like I mean just again talking out loud like it would be interesting to see and combat the illusion of control in favor of a higher conversion likelihood. So it just it would be an interesting thing that I’ll consider. And like maybe when we launch it live, like I was going to launch it live with it like program for the dates three days before.
00:12:39:19 – 00:13:01:16
Lauren
Because if I do a webinar three days before, your likelihood of them showing up is much, much higher. Webinars don’t have high show rates, especially in the season where everyone is shopping and trying to hit their end of your goals. So. Oh, sorry. Well, thank you everyone for letting me walk through that consideration to give you guys that feedback of a live testing my like, how would I do it differently?
00:13:01:20 – 00:13:27:01
Ralph
You’re debating it right now. Actually. I mean this is fresh. So I mean that the point is, is like, well like I said, we’ll leave links in the show notes for that show to show you exactly what we did here. But there’s trade offs in life. So if you are going to allow the algorithm to do its AI work, you’re going to you might suffer from like, I always just hate seeing ads that don’t fit the format.
00:13:27:23 – 00:13:29:21
Lauren
They were, you know, it’s an ad like.
00:13:29:23 – 00:13:43:02
Ralph
I know you skip this. It bothers, it bothers me. But does it convert better? If meta says that it does. It probably it does. So this is another trade off. It’s like, what do you want? Do you want have your own brand? Do you want better conversions.
00:13:43:04 – 00:13:45:16
Lauren
Yeah. Do you want content or do you want conversions.
00:13:45:18 – 00:13:59:11
Ralph
Yeah. We’re we’re dealing with a lot of beauty brands. Like they’re like brand. Brand is first. So something like this is, is an interesting tool, but I mean, you are going to lose control of it because you are letting the algorithm do the work.
00:13:59:11 – 00:14:27:11
Lauren
So it’s common. But I think there’s a component, Ralph, you’re going to lose control now. But I think the reality is this the precursor to losing control completely later, I think this has been consistent with my Mark Zuckerberg has said. And what other ad networks have really talked about is just like, get the decision making out of their hands, trust our ad networks to do what we’ve spent billions of dollars building, and spend time on creating your offer and then building your brand.
00:14:27:14 – 00:14:58:17
Lauren
And I think, like what I’m experiencing now and I’m seeing, you know, it’s almost like like violating feelings is the closest I can explain to you when, like I’m doing an ad and retargeting something in Farsi and someone who doesn’t have Farsi enable on their phone are still seeing these Farsi ads. And I’m like, oh, or if you’re doing a brick and mortar campaign in a very specific region, and then people outside of that ten mile radius are getting access to your ads, like there’s these things that are, again, it’s like, feels like you’re violating the framework.
00:14:58:17 – 00:15:14:22
Lauren
I said of where and how I want the ads to be portrayed and displayed. And like, we can do stuff in ad account settings and all that stuff, but it’s still out of our hands because we don’t have as much control as we used to, but in favor of conversions. And I think it’s just like, this is where it’s going to go.
00:15:15:00 – 00:15:35:23
Lauren
So, well, you have people that are like, I’m going to fight for brand. Now. There is a potential that like, they’ll have influence as meta continues to develop their product. And same for other ad networks. It’s just that for me it’s like this is where it’s going shop. Shopify has done that with the shop ads that that episode we did with Andras when they did the Winter 25 launch in like January.
00:15:36:03 – 00:15:51:17
Lauren
Oh my God, that was one of the best. Because shop is like, you have no decision. Tell us how much you want to spend, what your Roas is and your target cost per customer. And then what happens is everyone is just going to say you need to. You want to control your brand, start with your website, start with your offer.
00:15:51:20 – 00:16:10:08
Lauren
And then just know that, like there’s two things that are going to come down to it. You have to look at your website, and say that you are no, everything that’s on your website, everything that’s published is fair game. And it’s not just your website, it’s your Instagram profile, because that’s still your Instagram website of your site, your Facebook profile for your brand.
00:16:10:14 – 00:16:29:15
Lauren
Everything that’s on there is going to be fair game. So you need to make sure that at its core, everything on your site is fair game and that everything on your site is updated. And where I saw this was in my webinar ads, there’s this extension called Site Links, and either you can control which site links you want, but Matt is going to give the recommendation.
00:16:29:15 – 00:16:41:17
Lauren
So they were pulling blog articles. They were pulling services page which allowed me to take more real estate on the feed. But it again took out the control of what I want. But it enhanced what was available.
00:16:41:18 – 00:17:05:12
Ralph
Right. And those were ads that you edited. You edited that copy or you just let them, like we’ll do the screen share obviously again on this and get more. Yeah. But you let meta write the copy. Is that what you’re saying. Or you still exerted copy control over the the ads? Because when we were doing the walkthrough and the episode, you were rewriting them, but you were also giving prompts to get them to rewrite them and also redo the images.
00:17:05:13 – 00:17:25:10
Lauren
It’s a combination. Like we start with our seed copy, we start with our seed creative and then I’m like, doors open wide open to receive the conversions f the control, I don’t care. Because that’s going to lead to a higher likelihood of conversion. Yes, please. But as one will do a screenshot, I’ll show what I did and then I’ll show a walkthrough of how to relaunch it differently next time.
00:17:25:16 – 00:17:51:19
Lauren
Like my cost per lead was like 30 bucks. That’s totally not what my target was at all. That’s like almost 4 or 5 times of what I was willing to pay. However, I will say that the webinar, despite having the, fewer number of signups, was actually more successful from strategy sessions and potential customers and a quality standpoint than I could have anticipated from even my forecast of I wanted 300 signups.
00:17:51:19 – 00:18:13:14
Lauren
We had 7475, and I had more strategy sessions and more, like potential prospects than what I had forecasted with 300 people signing up. So at the end of the day, I’m I had a higher quality. Full disclosure, even though my cost per lead was $30 and you’re like, what? I know it was a lot.
00:18:13:16 – 00:18:32:03
Ralph
Well, I mean, we talk about it all the time here. It’s like the cost per lead is relative to the quality of that lead. So yeah, I mean, it I mean, the interesting part of this is that you did this in a three day time frame. We’ve talked about this many times with our creative diversification strategy is typically 30 plus creatives in most cases.
00:18:32:03 – 00:18:50:19
Ralph
And it’s 4 to 6 weeks like the first couple of weeks are kind of ugly. And yes, you know, John and I have gone on this show many, many times to you could do screen shares to this, this whole thing. And let me start off with a set amount of creative and then add them over time. But you’re adding 5 or 6 or seven new creatives every single week into this engine.
00:18:50:19 – 00:19:13:00
Ralph
It’s figuring it out over a 4 to 6 week time frame, because the AI does take time to take effect. Now for you. You did it in three days, you compressed it in three days and it still worked out. You got higher quality leads than you would have. You paid more for those leads, but still, it seems like the algorithm is actually doing what it can do in the time frame that you’re allotting it.
00:19:13:02 – 00:19:17:18
Ralph
Yeah. Which is which is solid. I mean, I’m interpreting your results for you, but no, no, no.
00:19:17:18 – 00:19:40:17
Lauren
I’m like, do I pay more than what I did? I pay I paid less for the quality leads though in like the actual outcome that I wanted. I paid more for the top of funnel subscriber acquisition, but I paid less for the quality lead. And again, it takes one signing to be like a 200 x Roas on that type of campaign.
00:19:40:17 – 00:20:00:11
Lauren
I also want $2,000. And so for a B2B business service provider where, you know, our packages start at thousands of dollars per month, and we had what was nice was we have a downside because we’re launching marketing rehab, where we have like a one hour a week group coaching format. So we have a six week. That’s what we were selling in the webinar, right?
00:20:00:12 – 00:20:22:15
Lauren
The VIP access gave to this like $197 a get an hour with me for six weeks to see if we can be hyper specific, laser focused in, in a group coaching format. And so even from those that wouldn’t have been agency qualified because they’re not in a place where they want to spend thousands of dollars a month for my brain and my team’s hands, for my brain in a group format, it was a high quality.
00:20:22:15 – 00:20:26:12
Lauren
So so I’m just debating all that and interpreting what you’re saying is right.
00:20:26:13 – 00:20:42:21
Ralph
Super interesting. This has been great. Sort of like a quick break down here. Any final words before I know you have to go on stage and speak somewhere, you know, before we, before Congress say, I do not rate, Congressman, I do not recall. That’s what you need to say when you’re speaking. Anyway.
00:20:43:00 – 00:20:58:08
Lauren
I do not recall. I do not recall any other cases that I would say, but I’m enjoying it and I’m excited to share it live. If this is something you guys want or have any specific questions like please ask the questions on the YouTube channel. And when we do the live recording, like I’ll, I’ll screen share everything I can.
00:20:58:10 – 00:21:04:02
Lauren
But if there’s questions you have, just drop them in and, raffle, make sure that we cover them.
00:21:04:04 – 00:21:24:11
Ralph
Yeah, 100%. This is a big deal right now. Like creative is creating the targeting like on all of our campaigns that we’re using creative diversification on with Andromeda. And then we’re obviously using tier 11 data suite, which gets, you know, the actual conversion that you’re trying for, whether it’s a new customer, returning customer, all of this together, it really is the creative and it’s more creative the better.
00:21:24:11 – 00:21:45:16
Ralph
And diverse creative. And that’s the key to this whole thing. And you know, this AI tool inside the ads manager is pretty badass. Although, you know, like we said, you give up a little bit of control here. And if you’re really super high on brand, this probably isn’t something that you want to have done. But if you want conversions because.
00:21:45:16 – 00:21:47:06
Lauren
What do you want it to work.
00:21:47:11 – 00:21:49:04
Ralph
Pretty well. Yeah. Like.
00:21:49:06 – 00:21:50:02
Lauren
Yeah.
00:21:50:04 – 00:22:15:16
Ralph
Or in class like control or, you know, or more of the thing. So anyway. All right, well, we will, have a follow up episode here on this, fabulous podcast. And of course, wherever you listen to podcasts, leave us a rating and review. Let us know what you think of these types of series, because we’re sort of building this as we go along here and, you know, an actual live build for the next webinar, I think would be really, really cool.
00:22:15:18 – 00:22:22:05
Ralph
So from what I understand, the ones that I’ve seen, this is already installed in most ad accounts. What’s your experience been?
00:22:22:06 – 00:22:41:14
Lauren
Yeah, I haven’t not seen it available. I can’t speak to the different regions because it might become a regional specific. I know that they’ll roll things out typically, and the Western Hemisphere, but yeah, it’s it’s pretty much as everything I read about it available and, and if it’s not now it will be very soon because it’s absolutely the way it’s going.
00:22:41:16 – 00:22:49:05
Lauren
Yeah. So for now you get to choose the I enablement. But my assumption is not for much longer.
00:22:49:06 – 00:23:12:10
Ralph
Yep. All right. Well, make sure that you do subscribe over on our, YouTube channel, professional chef Doug on Fort slash YouTube and of course, if you want tier elevens help for anything having to do with creative diversification, because this is our show, after all, you can get that over at your Uncomfort slash apply. So on behalf of my amazing co-host Lauren E Petrillo.
00:23:12:10 – 00:23:12:21
Lauren
Yeah.
00:23:12:21 – 00:23:15:19
Ralph
Oh, good luck before Congress. Until next.
00:23:15:20 – 00:23:25:11
Lauren
Thank you. See ya. The.


